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For liberals to give up power in both Canada and US so hurriedly, there must something really bad brewing that they don't want to be blamed for.


Liberals did not "give up power" in the US. They lost power in the US. That's not the same thing.


They have messed up so much in this election that it must have been on purpose.


Hanlon's Razor seems to fit too well IMHO. Assuming malice is a hard one to swallow when the evidence of bad decision-making is everywhere to see. To be on purpose for example you would have to assume that the hordes of people inside and outside the administration and the media all conspired to cover up Biden's deteriorating state, with the knowledge (or high probability) that he would lose in the first debate and step down without giving Harris enough time (or whatever theory you believe to explain why she lost). Just that portion alone is quite hard to believe IMHO.


No, there is no need to assume "hordes of people", just the top echelon, the ones knowing the real situation.

The hordes of people you have in mind are very malleable and are easily conducted.

One example: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/tv-anchors-decryi...


"not a thing comes to mind!"


Trudeau has been unpopular for years and hideously unpopular for the past couple of months, mostly as a result of the current state of things being bad (and as they've been in power for nearly 10 years, they already cop the blame for that), not hypothetical future bad things.

No need to get conspiratorial.


I don’t know if it is about blame for the other side, but I can see Trudeau being a scapegoat for all of Canada’s problems. I DO think he is responsible for a lot of Canada’s problems in the cultural side, especially as it affects politics. But the laws and realities of governing the country are also the fault of legislators who in turn are voted in by people. So to me what I view this as, is people rejecting the current highly progressive order of things in Canada but also the left leaning side of Canada’s politics ejecting Trudeau as a way to not bring blame onto the rest of the party and its politicians.


It wouldn't be a conspiracy, just strategic thinking.

It wouldn't be the first time in history where one party/group/individual decides to relinquish power anticipating some crisis:

- Sulla was a dictator who retired before the collapse of the Roman republic. - The British handed over power to India before the communal violence escalated. - Nixon resigned to avoid the spectacle of impeachment.

Someone in power may be able to better see some things inevitably coming and bail out sooner to avoid the worse.

You said Trudeau was unpopular for years and yet only now he's leaving.


>You said Trudeau was unpopular for years and yet only now he's leaving.

There's unpopular and then there's unpopular.

His approval rating has dropped off a cliff over the past year. His cabinet ministers have been resigning and/or openly criticizing him / asking for him to step down to save their own political careers.

This article is from last September - 4 months ago.

>> Darrell Bricker, a political scientist and pollster with Ipsos, compared the current moment in Canadian politics to this summer’s historic defeat of the UK Tories, who lost 251 seats in British parliament.

>>“It’s basically over,” said Mr Bricker of Trudeau’s government in an interview with the BBC.

>>“All that is happening is sands sliding out of the sand dial, and we’re working our way towards an inevitable conclusion.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrdrnxp74wo

And then this article is from October:

>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada faced the stiffest challenge to his leadership from fellow elected Liberal Party members on Wednesday during a closed-door meeting where he was urged to resign to avoid torpedoing the party’s chances in the next election.

>>For more than a year, the Liberals under Mr. Trudeau have trailed the Conservative Party by double digits in polls, suggesting that the Liberal Party could face a crushing defeat in the next election, which must be held by next October.

>>Panic within the party intensified after the Liberals recently lost two special parliamentary elections in districts that had been considered their strongholds.

>>The growing dissatisfaction played out on Wednesday, when most of the 153 Liberal members of Parliament gathered in Ottawa for a scheduled caucus meeting.

>>While caucus proceedings are typically secret, Mr. Trudeau, according to Canadian news media citing unnamed sources, was presented with a letter signed by about two dozen caucus members calling on him to step down.

>>The letter has been circulating for several days, but has been a closely held secret.

>>About 20 Liberal members criticized Mr. Trudeau’s leadership after the letter was read aloud during the three-hour-and-17-minute meeting, according to Canadian news outlets.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/world/canada/trudeau-vote...

Why do you insist that having a 23% approval rating and half of your party begging you to resign isn't a good enough reason?

Seriously, if you're not familiar with the internal politics of another country, why would you make up conspiracies about them?


No need to get emotional.

We agree that there was a good reason for Trudeau to not be in power for a while.

I am just focusing on the timing and history.


The timing, if you ask most Canadians, is months late.


Months? Well, only if you mean 120 months. The guy managed to destroy the best country in the world, leaving it with no foreseeable way back. Maybe joining the US is the only option now.


The entire market is due for major correction. I’m delighted I get to blame it on conservatives when it happens. It was probably inevitable, no matter what party is in power. That’s just how it is when you get two standard deviations away from the mean.

https://www.currentmarketvaluation.com/models/s&p500-mean-re...


You think the market is going to collapse but you're happy about it because it'll be bad for the conservatives?

You might want to rethink a few things.


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I don’t like taxes and bureaucracy so now I’m a homophobe?!


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What, exactly, is the mechanism by which the Tories winning the Canadian election causes your murder?


Oh, I honestly don't think the Conservatives will have you killed, unless maybe you hit on Melissa Lantsman's wife.


It's that they were the party for the COVID money pump hangover / inflation. The conservatives lost power in the UK for the same reason.




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