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yes.

I think it's fair to hold the government to account, but it's good to be cognizant of how entrenched corporatism is in our modern governance.

If your "just increasing shareholder value" is found to cause damages to the public, you should be held to account for that.


Just to be clear, I absolutely agree with you but corporations are made solely to create a profit and it tends to be lower when one is ethical. I would love if these companies act more responsibly, I would be very glad even for bare minimum eg. not causing harm actively but I just don't expect it. Because their sole existence is usually profit. Not public wellbeing. The "Increasing Shareholder value" is a joke because I noticed that some people are using this unironically.

Why is a 3rd party company keeping videos of people's children? Why aren't the parents concerned about this?

Genuine question, because "abundance" is meaningless unless you qualify what you mean.

You're saying that we ask the ASI for "abundance" and everyone gets a mansion in silicon valley and doesn't need to work unless they want to? That doesn't seem like a realistic thing to be thinking about.


Interesting thought.

My view is that ASI could be created and benchmarked to know that it reached that level of intelligence.

Once we have that, we must sit to talk about abundance to define where to implement it and at what rate in full details.

It's like creating the magic tool to do anything, but we decide what to do with it.

But that is the ideal state that may seem far away, only time will tell how far it is.

I see it not that far due to this simple fact: AI is learning human experiences.

Note: this needs fully functioning robotics as well (software + hardware level intelligence).


What if under the no-pause scenario within a couple of years we get cures for N diseases each one of which affects tens or hundreds of millions of people every year - how many years would you wait and keep your hand on the pause button?

Couldn't we just break the pause button? so it is not usable?!

Not pausing means more people knowing truths of everything faster in this world.

One of them, that I'm very excited about, is science & research.


> What should they be called instead? AI Sausage Factories maybe (cue Upton Sinclair?)?

That's actually great? Slaughterhouses killing off the collective genius of humanity and grinding it into a bland paste for mass consumption.


Even kind of fits the model. All of the creativity man has raised is herded to the slaughterhouse and ground up so we end up with a big homogenized mash of ground up creativity, devoid of the life that gave it, rotten if not eaten soon enough.

Destruction is easy and entropically rewarded. We've long since lost our way in rewarding and recognizing things that are positive.

Howl by Ginsberg needs a rewrite. "The greatest minds of my generation were harnessed to boil the oceans and reduce the world to ash in the pursuit of capital gains"


Lesswrong is talking about the HF incident as the "worst warning shot ever".

I don't particularly agree with Ezra Klein or Francis Fukuyama, often vehemently disagree. But on the latest episode of Klein's NYT show it was interesting to hear Francis mention this coupling of wealth and political power being one of the core problems the US is grappling with.

Separate the nouveau robber barons from political power like we did the clergy?


In the United States, clergy never had formal political power. Religious movements did play major roles in the abolition of slavery and Prohibition of alcohol.

The United States had campaign-finance laws to limit the political influence money can buy. The McCain–Feingold Act restricted “dark money”. The Supreme Court struck it down in Citizens United v. FEC.


I think he’s referring to the separation of church and state that was codified at the founding of the US based on experience of how things went in Europe prior to that

Indeed. If you hold your duty to your net worth above your duty to civil society, you can't be trusted with civil society. To paraphrase Patrick Henry.

Not even remotely true. People loathe the surveillance state, it takes a special kind of evil to support a panopticon.

Not a lot of people were clamoring for copilot in their outlook. But NVIDIA are giving money to labs so that they will buy their hardware. Manufacturing demand for their hardware, which is used for more AI, which eager PMs stuff into every crevice they can find and call demand.

ChatGPT was the fastest growing software of all time not that long ago. Citing a bad AI product as evidence for lack of demand is saying the failure of the Homer car was due to the fact that people don't like automobiles.

ChatGPT was the fastest growing gratis software of all time.

I wish we still lived in an age where things were sold to cover their costs.

My money's on their product having 10% of its current user base if they charged 50 cents per month.


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Which doesn't matter if they're still not profitable.

You could have said this about Google's Search product...

How much would the average normie pay if Google suddenly charged? Sure the user-base would drop.

And what? Did Google suddenly become a bad business?

I find it funny how people have these strange and hypocritical viewpoints when it comes to OpenAI and Anthropic when the hyperscalars like Google, Amazon etc, followed these exact same kinds of playbooks for years and years.


Probably not a normie but I pay for Kagi search because it’s a lot like pre-seo google. So far haven’t tried any AI since OpenCYC.

The labs have raised far, far more money than any of the hyperscalers ever did, with no sign of a route to monopoly profits.

I think you, and many LLM fans, have a grossly distorted view of per unit SaaS costs vs per unit current LLM costs.

Google Searches, once the infra setup was finished, were ridiculously cheap. Not the case for OpenAI & co.

Inflation adjusted, launching most of Google's core services (Search, Gmail, Maps, etc) cost less than launching ChatGPT 5. Running them at similar scales is also much cheaper per user.

There is a point at which it's just too much.

Oh, Google and Amazon never had these kinds of humongous losses and they reached profitability much sooner.


Oh, besides my other comment.

Yes, I'm against all predatory economic behavior. Selling user data, price dumping, platforms/walled gardens/monopolies/oligopolies/cartels/etc.


> ChatGPT was the fastest growing software of all time not that long ago.

Google+ was the fastest-growing social network of all time not that long ago.

When you're one of a pair of VC darlings that have effectively-infinite money because of -in part- handwavy promises to cure cancer and eliminate 90% of payroll everywhere, or if you're an established company that has total control over very widely used consumer products, you can do all sorts of things to manufacture amazing growth numbers.

In the case of those VC darlings, we're seeing their shift towards providing their products that are most expensive to create exclusively to B2B customers and also the shift towards justifying the elimination of most of their R&D expenditure. Every company performs belt-tightening in advance of their IPO, [0] and those two are no exception.

[0] ...which is when their finances will be scrutinized by the public and regulators...


ChatGPT is in my tool belt now, and I barely touch Google anymore.

The world is fundamentally and momentously being rewired.


Don't need to go far. Sora by the same company was the fastest incineration of dollars in software of all time.

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