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Dear Dad, Send Money – Letters from Students in the Middle Ages (medievalists.net)
148 points by diodorus on Sept 7, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 43 comments



Timely post. My Father (80) is in the process of publishing a book titled "Dear Mom: Letters Home From a Diplomatic Courier 50 Years Ago."

Basically his Mother kept all the letters/postcards (~700) he sent home during his time traveling the World with the State Department. He recently began digitizing them to compile a book. It is almost a re-life Forest Gump story...a man in Moscow at the height of the cold war; being in Vietnam 6 years before the War and seeing the stage being set; camping in the Himalayas watching Chinese aggression against Buddhism; commenting on Black Churches being bombed in the South back home, etc...But really what is most striking is we think communication has changed so much in 50 years (internet, social media) but there is no doubt what we communicate is otherwise unchanged, like OP students requesting money in the middle ages.

For those with interest here are a few letters, interested to hear the reaction of anyone outside friends/family: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wudj58edm2fjqd9/AAAQuGGfqE61orF5a...


These are wonderful! Your dad was quite the ladies' man too. I love the depiction of the Bengali princess: "...I doubt if she realizes that there are a group of people on earth who actually work and it is this which makes the world go around. She floats endlessly in her world of art, poetry, and creativity... It will be a considerable relief when this girl has returned to London and I can become rested again..."

Would he mind a suggestion on the title? If this book is as good as the letters you shared, people will be reading it 10, 20, 30 years from now. So "50 Years Ago" is a bit of a moving target. Not sure if it would be an improvement to just mention the actual decades in the subtitle, or a reference to the events of the time, or maybe just leave out the "50 Years Ago" entirely since as you noted this is really timeless. Just food for thought.

Please put up that email subscription form! :-)

p.s. Any chance of an ebook or Kindle edition?


billbrowndearmom.weebly.com


http://billbrowndearmom.weebly.com

Clickable link. Looking forward to reading the rest !


These look great - I would have loved to do what he did. I've done quite a lot of travel and lived overseas but there is something very interesting about doing it in a diplomatic function watching the local history happen.

On the link you posted I just read the first article - and its dated Jan 5 1960. Are you sure its not 1961 - in the letter he says 1961 is on its way.


Is there anything we can subscribe to, so we can be notified when the book comes out?


Maybe I will set up a landing page with some sample letters and submit an HN post...but its nice to think others would have interest outside immediate friends/family.


My father in law is in his eighties and served as a Swedish diplomat in Moscow in the 1960's (among other places). I know he too would love get a chance to read some of those letters.


There are sites that let you set up an email capture box in a few minutes (such as mailchimp). Doesn't have to be a full landing page.


billbrowndearmom.weebly.com to subscribe and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10182723


Subscribed! Just a note: you have to use the http:// or https:// to make a link on HN - the domain alone won't be clickable.


There's definitely interest!


Did he have any thoughts on the Gulf of Tonkin incident?


man his writing is very addictive. I hope you'll post about his book once it's out!! With all the noise out there, I hope it gets some serious attention.


Yeah, he's a good writer; the ones I've read breathe with life. And he's got a nice turn of snark too, low-key but pointed. I'm British, I appreciate that!


Can you setup a Google form in the meantime, in case we don't come across your HN post with a landing page?


Great stuff. And clearly your father predicted the future in 1965:

>>While everything looks so bright for 1965 in America, it is very moving to see a country, or live in a country, where everything will deteriorate further during the year to come. Hardships on the average man will increase, prices will rise, unrest will continue, and more human freedoms will be turned over to the central government, who in turn will botch up things even more. It is a pathetic situation here.


Love the letters! Looking forward to the ebook!


"The city is expensive and makes many demands; I have to rent lodgings, buy necessaries, and provide for many other things which I cannot now specify."

The list of bars and parties a student has to attend before graduating grows too long to be put on a letter.


One letter was surprisingly honest about the need to drink wine. But I totally get why most students can't specify those expenses in detail.


As a kid, every time I tried to hoodwink my father into bogus school supplies expenses he would recite this joke about a medieval student sending a letter to his uneducated father. After some platitudes similar to the ones in the article, the punchline was more or less like this (loses a bit in translation): "Three books I have to buy: Marcus, Tullius and Cicero. At three royals each, nine royals I need".

The response was: "Marcus Tullius Cicero is one book. Here I send five royals, so you can send back two".


Conspicuously absent:

"you can scarcely imagine how expensive our text books are. Having tried to save some money through the purchase of a second-hand edition of Euclid's Elements, I am at risk of failing that class. The only change is that for this year's edition for some reason all the postulates have been renumbered, making it impossible for me to use the text in class."


I can't help but wonder if one day people will be looking at how adorable ancient programmers were in the 2000's with their "monitors" and "smart phones."


I like how the kid butters him up a bit before just admitting that he's asking for beer money. Refreshingly honest.


The first one is more subtle, but he's even more brazen.

"For you must know that without Ceres and Bacchus Apollo grows cold."

Ceres is the goddess of fertility. Bacchus the god of booze.


Yeah that's the one I was referencing. Ceres is also the goddess of agriculture and grains, so I figured he was asking for beer (Ceres) and wine (Bacchus).

Although your interpretation of Ceres would make this a much more interesting thing to write home to dad about.


Of worthy note: "In the year 1400 he penned this imaginary letter from a student to his father:"


So that particular letter was a parody?


Yes, that one was, although it's still medieval.


Though parodies and satires still offer you an insight into the lives and state of minds of people back then.


That's the Eustache Deschamps one. The first one, which the article doesn't attribute and doesn't claim is imaginary, also makes a veiled reference via Bacchus, though.


You have to keep in mind that in the time period in question beer or weak wine was what you drank when you were thirsty a lot of the time. Safe drinking water was hard to come by.


Dear Dad, send money. Dad: 404


It was easier for me - I just needed to ring my parents and collect cash at the post office.

But I kept the tradition going - first telling mom and dad how I'm getting well along with studies!

Great times


You had to call your parents and wait at the post office? How old fashioned! Today my parents can just look at my credit card bill online and decide if they want to pay for any expenses.


Your parents check your credit card bill? In my time, they just regularly transferred some money to my bank account.


My grandfather went on a trip around the world as a coaler in 1894. His mother kept his letters home, and I transcribed them a few years back.

http://walterbright.com/trip/chas.html


Is the link dead? I get a 404.


RE: Thine assay on my coinage -

Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy, But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy; For the apparel oft proclaims the man, And they in France of the best rank and station Are most select and generous, chief in that.

Neither a borrower nor a lender be; For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.


Ceres and Bacchus while he really meant Venus.


I get Bacchus, but I'm drawing a blank on what does he means by Ceres and Apollo


Ceres = goddess of the harvest (grain, bread) Bacchus = god of the vine (wine) Apollo = god of light (enlightenment / knowledge)


We were tought in primary school how to write such telegrams in least possible words ..




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