And we (Pittsburgh) pride ourselves on being part of the Midwest. It's very Midwestern.

Wha? Pennsylvania hasn't been part of the west or even middle west since the days of Natty Bumppo.

That's an interesting note I'd never heard before. Never spent more than a few days in either, but I guess I would say it's more Detroit than Philly.

I realize CMU is in Pittsburgh, but that's still pretty far East as far as the US goes.

Buffalo and Rochester are also closer to Cleveland than the coast, so I'm not sure that's a great metric.

Anyway, always interesting how terms differ among people