Ok no religious talking . But I'd say that face to face. I don't say things i'd would not dare to say. But i understand, i'll censor all my religion comments from now on. Thanks for the clarification.
It's the same people that believes in creationism, that their bible is an history book, denies climate change and blames hurricanes and earthquakes on gay marriage and now they have won the elections in USA
It's not insulting them that you will persuade them. Try speaking their language instead. For example St. Francis from Assisi, patron saint of Italy, was the original eco-activist. He reconciled Nature and Christian faith hundreds of years ago. I'm sure Christians of all faiths would react to his message in a good way, if you just reminded them.
Not every believer is a creationist, nor does every creationist blame earthquakes on gay marriage or believe the bible is a history book. By tarring them up like that, you are effectively insulting them by implying all their most extreme examples of faith are linked and hence medieval - and by extension, you're basically implying all Christian beliefs are also medieval.
In fact most christians are not creationists , and most christians have more modern views of the world than that and also about LGBT rights and evolution, most of the groups that support middle age views are evangelical from the USA, the ones that twist the bible and pick what it interests to them, which happens to be the ones that promote most lies about climate change and i can't hear/see the others groups trying to stop them.
Please if you can point me the exact place where i'm not being civil or have a i insulted anyone?. Just pointed their beliefs and that's the reason why they look the other way. No opinion about their beliefs or themselves. Or maybe i'm offending your beliefs? Cause really i can't see where i'm not being civil.
Yes it's god's will and a punishment for gay marriage. /s
Right here. You're using sarcasm, which is a form of ridicule or mockery, and it's dismissive. If you were having a face-to-face conversation with someone who held these beliefs, would you say this in this way? I would hope not, because it would be impolite to do so.
Also, how would you express this without being snide or snarky? I tried, but had a hard time coming up with something that was fair. In this thread, that's your first comment, and the first one that alludes to conservative Christian beliefs as a reason people don't act to protect the environment (or something, as the more I try to figure out exactly what you're trying to imply by just that statement in the context of this conversation, the more trouble I have).
Let me try, though. Given you've said very little, I'm fully aware I'm making a lot of assumptions which could very well be wrong, so feel free to correct me. That's also part of the point. By saying so little, you're forcing people to make assumptions of what you mean or imply. This is particularly problematic in online discussions on contentious topics where people are less likely to interpret you charitably, sometimes even without intending to.
People who deny climate change and don't care about the environment are Christians who interpret the Bible literally and blame hurricanes and earthquakes on gay marriage.
Is that a fair rephrasing of what you meant with your first comment? I've taken some of it from what you've said in your subsequent explanations. I'm aiming to be fair and accurate, so if I'm not, please correct me.
Generalizing all who deny climate change in this way is unfair and attributes beliefs to them that many (most?) don't have. There are a lot of people who deny climate change for a variety of reasons. There are also a lot of Christians who care deeply about the environment and believe that climate change is something we need to address as stewards of God's creation. There are also Christians who are not opposed to gay marriage, and many more who don't believe hurricanes and earthquakes are caused by it. If you don't mean to make such sweeping generalizations in your first comment (or even your subsequent ones, frankly), you're not being very nuanced in your statements. The percentage of people who hold the beliefs you describe I suspect is a significant minority.
If at this point you honestly don't see how your comment isn't civil or constructive (or at the very least is likely to be construed as impolite), I don't think anything more I can say will make a difference (which is on me), and more likely make you think I'm being vindictive or needlessly argumentative (which if I continue the discussion, I would be). Be well.
Not all who deny climate change are christians and not all christians deny climate change, evolution or scientific advances . Parent said people may have good reasons to think the way they do and not do anything against climate change and i just pointed one of the reasons more openly used by the groups that deny climate change. The other reason is greed but it's not usually used in public
And yes if i have some people in front of me that deny climate change/evolution/LGBT rights (they usually go together) i'd say it because if they are so "impolite" as to deny other peoples rights publicly they don't deserve better, i don't have to respect the beliefs of people that don't respect other peoples rights. Here we are having a discussion, different points of view, but you are not attacking me or other peoples rights. I'm tired of hearing that christians/muslims/jews/any belief feel offended when you don't agree and submit to their beliefs, sorry,but i guess then i can feel offended when people don't agree with mine, but not, usually is not that way only they can feel offended and and you have be silent.
I can think of three nobel prize scientists that are sceptical of climate change and it's ill effects. They may be right or wrong, but they certainly don't conform to the stereotype you're putting forth.
