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I wouldn’t call Microsoft as a company returning control to Engineers and product.

I bought a surface pad for my dad. Setting up was a pain, my dad had constant issues where he’d do something and didn’t know how to get out of it. UX was inconsistent. Bing ads everywhere. Yuck! It still very much felt like features were created for someone to get a promo.

Google at the moment feels like a ruthless data driven company. “Our charts show that with this change people use more google services. It invades user’s privacy and pisses off a bunch of HN users but who cares? This will make us a trillion dollar company, and it is working!”

And this is why everyone should fear Google. If they are willing to do this, as their AI capabilities advance, their actions show they value their stock price far above their users privacy. God knows what they’ll do next. It’s not the first time they’ve done something like this.

On the other hand. The current US govt is in bed with Google. They lobby like crazy. The govt will not do anything. Gogo is a behemoth that can pretty much get away with anything now. May be the EU will. I really hope they get fined for this.




> Google at the moment feels like a ruthless data driven company. “Our charts show that with this change people use more google services. It invades user’s privacy and pisses off a bunch of HN users but who cares? This will make us a trillion dollar company, and it is working!”

This. A million times. Be prepared for the next step: http://decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html


Holy cow, what have you done to me?! And I thought Civ5 was "one more click" syndrome...

The page is pretty sparse; do you know if there are any winning conditions, or it just goes on until `Number` in JS oveflows?


It does terminate and there's more to the story than you've seen so far.


Despite my familiarity with the Paperclip Maximizer, it has still been instructive to think it through in real time. It's a nice way to think about priorities in life.

Thanks!


> I wouldn’t call Microsoft as a company returning control to Engineers and product.

I would not either, but this just reinforces the opinion that it is very hard for a company to get out of this state. Once engineers are domesticated even if the leadership wants to reinvigorate the company (and I think Microsoft's would like), empowering tame engineers is unlikely to produce earth-shattering results. Product improvements, sure; new technologies, probably not. My 2c.




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