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To me it's not clear what realism and idealism is in your framework; my idea of each I think might be different from yours.

Katalin Karikó was denied tenure at Penn.

Douglas Prasher ended up becoming a courtesy shuttle driver for a Toyota dealership.

These are a couple of the many of examples that only get attention for how blatantly absurd they are. For each one of these types of stories there are undoubtedly many others you never hear about.

The entire reason why these conversations are happening, about how to fund research and support research, is because of how absurd these types of outcomes are.




This is the first time I hear about Katalin Karikó and Douglas Prasher and their stories. Thank you for mentioning them.

I'm shocked (in a way)...but on the other side I'm not very surprised. :( Occasionally I would hear or read threads and news talking about the problems in science (research, funding, education) like the one we're commenting on. Still these stories are on another level (or maybe it's just a feeling I have, because there are faces, official news clips, statements etc. so we can relate to those people on a personal level). And when I just think that there are, who knows how many, people like these...




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