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This is what normal people do. The real question is why certain wealthy people think they need to throw away the money that they extract from consumers and employees on things like cocaine, vacation houses and prostitutes.


Why do you consider that "throwing away money"? What if I happen to enjoy cocaine and prostitutes?


I hope that people will do something more constructive with the resources they extract from others labor, that's all. Drugs and prostitution serve the purpose of transient sensory gratification, and do not build anything.

Of course, money is not real and it does not disappear when it is spent. What is real is the resources and labor extracted at the expense of others to provide and procure these services. Most likely, my examples could be improved and aren't worth discussing in particular.

I'm taking exception to lavish spending and resource allotment which does not even make the person spending the money happy, yet is done at the expense of others who have real needs that are going unmet. I do think an act like spending $200,000 on a bottle of wine at a restaurant just for the heck of it, while the purchaser might have hundreds of employees for whom 200k would be a life changing relief, can be seen as sociopathic.


the resources they extract from others labor

The meme that capitalism is exploitation should be considered harmful. In market societies, money is (in general) not forcibly extracted and trade certainly doesn't happen (in general) at the expense of others.


I didn't say 'forcibly'. One way or the other, it's about others labor and assets being concentrated in the hands of people who squander them.


I understand where you're coming from. It seems unfair. Don't worry though, plenty of cocaine and prostitutes are left for the proletariat. In fact I think average consumption is about even down the ladder. We no longer have to make do with religion.


I don't really want those, I want the yacht!


Greedy rat bastard coal miner. Give ya a finger and you want the hand. Take the whoores & blow or you'll get Jesus. Makes no difference to me.

Anyway, what good is a yacht without them.


Would it be any better if it was the result if their own labour rather than 'extracted from others'?

You are getting into an argument about how people should use the resources that they have been rewarded with. This is difficult, because reducing the rewards punish the responsible, and conditional rewards are difficult to implement if the sources of that reward are heterogeneous or disorganized, such as the consumers of mass-produced goods.

Not to say it can't be done, but it's not as simple as sprinkling magic social responsibility dust onto capitalism.


It is the fruits of their own labor. I agree this is a very large topic, and it's not really possible to discuss it here without spending all day composing.

It's more about personal responsibility and ethics than an economic system.


I think the rational motivation behind the common wisdom that coke and prostitutes = bad stems from the effects on regular people as an effective person hones his craft and becomes really good at pursuing c&p. Namely, he will be looking for more women to have sex with, better prostitutes, and possibly enticing women you care about into his lifestyle.

On the other hand, the humble, successful businessman simply becomes a better neighbor to all of us, and probably creates an environment where our loved ones stand to benefit.


I don't see the rationality aspect in your explanation.

You're selfish and want me to be a good neighbor who doesn't steal your women.

I'm selfish and want coke and prostitutes and your women.

Those are, at least in your point of view, mutually exclusive (I can imagine people who would appreciate a neighbor who's into coke and prostitutes).

I just don't see how one person's selfishness is better (in a rational way) than other person's selfishness.


Are you thinking of yourself as a human in the context of other humans? That's the perspective where this is rational.

If you're in a system with a bunch of humble rich guys, people will be forced to be thoughtful and conscientious. In a system of cocaine and no-value relationships, your daughter is seduced while you're nursing a hangover, and then you die of heart disease.

It isn't about stealing women, but rather creating a sustainable lifestyle where people grow and have a manageable environment.


"I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds [women] and fast cars; the rest I just squandered." -- George Best

That quote always gives me a giggle. If nothing else it serves to remind me that everyone has their own priorities.


Their motivations, quite simply, are different than yours.


It's not about my motivations - I'm commenting about the question the article asks. This guy should not be held up as abnormal in some way - people like Larry Ellison should. While quite common, obsession with material wealth and the drive to acquire it beyond reason is a perverse state, not healthy or natural.


I'd actually consider obsession with acquisition and consumption part of the human state.


Sure, it is. But it can become pathological.


Or is our interest in limiting our consumption only a modern development brought on by socialization and culture?

In other words, I'd argue that it's unnatural to feign disinterest in accumulating infinite power and wealth.


What evidence do you base this on?

People who make it their life's work to study human beings generally believe that humans are motivated by the drives to acquire, to bond, to defend, and to learn.

The drive to acquire is fundamental to all animals. Getting stuff is therefore one of the prime meanings of life.

What do you spend your money on?




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