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> Those ideas served civilization for thousands of years.

Civilisation also had wars and famines for thousands of years to manage population and "cull off the weak". Do you want to go back to that?

> western countries have literally ceased to be self-sustaining, becoming reliant on importing the next generation from conservative Latin (in North America) and Muslim (in Europe) countries. Victory!

And yet the same people who argue like that are also usually worried about overpopulation of the planet.

> those changes

What do you mean by that? Allowing people to be in charge of their own sexuality?



It has also become almost prohibitively expensive to raise children (in the US).


Was it not always prohibitively expensive to raise children? Seems to me that the main thing that has changed is the invention of (modern) contraception, making not having children but still having sex an option in a way that it wasn't in the past.


I don't get it. You're saying now that without no-fault divorces, free love, nudity in movies etc, we would have more war and famine?




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