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> Java is notorious for being ill-suited for user-facing desktop apps - and justifiably so, at least historically.

I'm on a trip in Brazil, and so far I saw 1 commercial system built in Java at a grocery store cashier, and 3 Government systems: Border and Customs office's computer, Postal Office ("Correios") point of sale (a desktop), and the software that must be used for tax return by all citizens (IRPF).

All of them used by millions of people directly or indirectly, all of them implemented in Java Swing.




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