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My view of CDC is that it's a long dead hacker clique resurrected by industry grifters, but I'd love for that to be proven incorrect on that. My biggest question is how the shift from techno-libertarianism to techno-anarchism with techno-dictatorship-of-the-prolotariat characteristics in the general space the CDC occupies will affect development. If successful, all kinds of unsavory actors will be using it, from child predators to terrorists to actual nazis, and worst of all, annoying right wingers. Do they have the values and strength of their views to keep serving those people or do they start eroding the security and privacy guarantees to kick them off?



That’s goofy. I’m not a cDc member, but I was online and actively building networks and network apps on the early public Internet before most people. I’m not thrilled that RWNJs are using some of the things my friends and I helped make, but that’s better than a world where someone can dictate that they’re not allowed to.

Today I run a Mastodon server. Neo-Nazis can deploy their own, too. Again, I wish they wouldn’t, but it’s not as bad as a central authority with enough power to lock them out.

I hope neo-Nazis hate Veilid and want nothing to do with it. I’m also not interested in a network with central controls strong enough that any one group could keep another group out altogether.


I'd love it if they stayed out of Veilid too, but if Veilid succeeds they will not. The needs of pro-democracy, pro-human rights protesters are very similar to the needs of hate groups, it sucks but it's true.


It is, and that’s kind of my point. Vile people will use good things, too. I’m not willing to forego having nice things just because people I loathe might also like them.


That's a very reasonable position to have! I am not confident that CDC holds that position, and if they do I am not confident that they will indefinitely.


I clearly can’t speak for the cDc or anyone in it. However, I’d be absolutely gobsmacked if the gang believed it was possible to make “privacy for everyone, as long as we agree with them”. Inherent in privacy is that you can’t know what other people are saying unless they want you to.


Join the discord and like talk to them... They're real human people.


A lot of people who identify as pro-democracy, pro-human rights protestors are indistinguishable from hate groups. Most, if not all, hate groups think of themselves as the voice of oppressed people, demanding their rights. That's why they're always linking "Harrison Bergeron" and quoting Orwell.


Both also breathe oxygen.




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