True but it's really hard to imagine how they ever expected the "my own device spies on me by design" to fly. Maybe they miscalculated that the "for the children" argument would convince the consumer which was obviously a huge miscalculation. Even though they clearly thought of safeguards so it wouldn't lead to many issues in practice, it's just so incredibly wrong at the core that it creeps people out just thinking of it.
I can't think of anyone in my circles who would accept this. It's just so extremely out of bounds. And I lost a lot of respect for Apple as a result considering they thought it was ok to propose this.
And it would have been total theater anyway because obviously the real offenders would just use something else.
one could argue that it was intended not to fly and that apple successfully threaded the needle of getting E2EE out the door without invoking a legislative response on the basis of "think of the children/terrorists".
look at what apple did: they lined up E2EE, got the pushback from law enforcement, floated a solution that would have accomplished the stated goals, then effectively invoked the court of public opinion which said "hell no" and then just launched E2EE anyway.
Now we are in the end-state of successfully having E2EE without a bunch of backdoors, and the only real victim is apple's public reputation with a bunch of android nerds who were never going to like them anyway.
> the only real victim is apple's public reputation with a bunch of android nerds who were never going to like them anyway.
I don't agree. I have several Apple fan friends whose admiration for Apple really dropped. They're still on iOS and Mac because they're so invested (walled garden and all). But the enthusiasm and deep devotion is gone.
Not just because of that, though it was the first drop. But also the recent sideloading malicious compliance thing. That deep trust is gone.
I used to be an apple fan too but I already dropped off earlier (for want of deciding what I can run on my own hardware). So I'm definitely an android nerd. But this made waves even inside the Apple camp.
I can't think of anyone in my circles who would accept this. It's just so extremely out of bounds. And I lost a lot of respect for Apple as a result considering they thought it was ok to propose this.
And it would have been total theater anyway because obviously the real offenders would just use something else.