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So having a health database, drivers license database, social security, banking etc are all ok but creating a proper national ID system would somehow push it over the edge to where an authoritarian government can come about and take control of our lives?

Your argument boils down to “let’s purposely make our government inefficient because it might one day turn on us”

Which, judging from other countries, is actually the opposite of what happens.

The worst offenders of human rights and government overreach are the ones that don’t have their shit together.




Health data is a difficult topic.

But for what do a drivers license database, social security numbers exist? And why should a country/state know your bank account number(s)?

Etatism is cancer.


> But for what do a drivers license database, social security numbers exist?

To keep bad drivers off the road? To suspend privileges when you kill someone with your car?

Social security numbers were originally created for linking people to their social security accounts but has now become our national ID because there is an inherit need for one in the modern world. The problem with SSNs is that they were never designed for their current use-case.

> And why should a country/state know your bank account number(s)?

A state will always have access to and the capability of seizing your account funds. This is a necessity for a multitude of reasons that I can list out, but I'll let you use your imagination.

Take a look around the world. Take a look at history. Autocrats don't need an efficient ID system to take control of their citizens. People willingly give up their freedoms and align themselves with autocrats when they use the same propaganda and fear-mongering tactics that have been used for centuries. It has nothing to do with the government amassing a database of their population. Once the autocrats are in control, they will create whatever system they require.

The only way to avoid tyranny is to fight for liberal values at the ballot box. Anything else is bullshit. Your guns won't do shit when your local militia is aligned with the autocrat in control.


> To keep bad drivers off the road? To suspend privileges when you kill someone with your car?

A document is not sufficient for that? Doubt it.

> Social security numbers has now become our national ID because there is an inherit need for one in the modern world.

Why?

> A state will always have access to and the capability of seizing your account funds. This is a necessity for a multitude of reasons that I can list out, but I'll let you use your imagination.

But not one good reason. For law enforcement, there are other possibilities.

> Take a look around the world. Take a look at history. Autocrats don't need an efficient ID system to take control of their citizens.

But pseudo-democracies do.

> The only way to avoid tyranny is to fight for liberal values at the ballot box. Anything else is bullshit. Your guns won't do shit when your local militia is aligned with the autocrat in control.

No. The only way is to send politicians with their political idiocies to hell and establish direct democracies. When the people have to participate in the organisation of a country/state (or better in a cooperation of peoples; is there really a need for geographical limits?), and discuss the distribution of resources, instead of just balloting from time to time for one or another political idiocy, don't you think they could make that way better than the current systems?




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