Which genocide? The one that parts of Israel, mostly Likud, wants and isn't doing a very good job of (I was told millions would have starved by now), or the one that Hamas emphatically wants, and is supported by the vast majority of Palestinians, but they are technologically incapable of performing?
Plenty Israelis want a two state solution where Palestinians are not harmed. How many Palestinians want a two state solution where Jews live free? Why don't Palestinians get visibly upset when a Hamas rocket meant for Israel blows up Palestinians?
Bibi should rot in prison. So should the leader of Hamas. But who is willing to run Palestine without shooting rockets at Israel, and how long will they stay in power before they are overthrown by people who want to go back to shooting rockets at Israel?
There can't be a peace as long as Palestinians want the eradication of Israel, much as there can't be peace as long as Likud wants to eradicate Palestine. But if we tell Israel it can't do anything, but do not limit Hamas in the same way, all you are doing is allowing Israelis to die for the convenience of ignoring an actually difficult geopolitical problem.
"Just stop shooting at Palestinians" will certainly end the suffering of Palestinians, but is objectively trading 30k Palestinians dead now with a few Israelis dead every year.
And this isn't even getting to the insane levels of Anti-semitism that hide themselves under a cloak of "just supporting Palestinians". If you know any jewish people who aren't evenly Israeli, ask them how safe they feel nowadays.
> "Just stop shooting at Palestinians" will certainly end the suffering of Palestinians, but is objectively trading 30k Palestinians dead now with a few Israelis dead every year.
There's shooting and there's shooting. 30k Palestinians in Gaza Strip are in the war zone so in a way it's not a much surprise they're dying, but there are Palestiniani on the West Bank, who are being murdered by Israeli (settlers backed by IDF). Last I checked the death toll is around 500 (https://apnews.com/article/settler-attack-palestinians-west-...), which puts it within the ballpark of 7 October Hamas' strike.
I will remember the small town next door that put out a star of david to celebrate Hanukkah and got a pile of death threats for supporting Israel.
Do you remember the teens at a concert for peace for Palestine that died on Oct 7th? IE, people who literally were pushing for Israel to unilaterally get it's hands out of Palestine, the exact thing people are marching all over the world for.
Hamas literally targeted them. Why? Why kill the people doing exactly what you claim to want them to do? Their deaths and rapes were intentional.
I want to make it very clear that I hold no qualms or malice towards people who want a unilateral ceasefire from Israel and damn the consequences of that. Hell, even a lot of Israelis seem to hold that opinion!
But I only want to ask: how many Israeli people have to die before that is obviously not a solution? How many Israeli deaths per year before "okay maybe going to war with Palestine" becomes acceptable?
that's right! Hamas broke the ceasefire on October 7th, and if the Israelis laid down their weapons, they would be slaughtered. they can't afford to leave Hamas in charge. they don't want control of gaza, but it doesn't seem like there's any alternative to military occupation if they want to stop the incursions for good.
