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Obviously Hamas are responsible for the hospital becoming a target.

But there is version of this where weapons at the hospital are removed by force, without bombing it.



> But there is version of this where weapons at the hospital are removed by force, without bombing it.

Version A (what happens now): Israel calls everybody in the vicinity of the hospital, gives them time to evacuate. Then Israel strikes the hospital with a missile without a warhead. Then Israel actually bombs it.

Version B (what you suggest): IDF storms in with guns blazing.

What version, in your opinion, will result in more civilian deaths?


Yeah, but it's a magical version in an imaginary realm.


Protecting a few key humanitarian sites from bombing doesn't seem impossible if there was a will to do so.


Maybe you can explain how you envision that working.


The Israeli army would use their miliary assets on the ground. They invaded and established a temporary occupying force to deal with Hamas, so resources other than air are available.

The air force can hit the targets required around the hospital to allow an easier time for ground forces. Reach the hospital, and use those ground forces to secure it.


They already use ground assets. Your plan needs more detail. When the IDF ground forces enter a hospital hallway where Hamas terrorists have positioned hostages in front of them and behind them, what should the IDF do? N.B.: the terrorists are shooting at them.



What do you imagine that demonstrates aside from that it is possible for mistakes to occur? Especially when you're fighting an enemy for whom it is an advantage for you to kill its own population for the propaganda value.


It shows that it doesn't matter where the hostages are because they'll just shoot at everyone anyways


I hope you think enough of yourself to realize that that reasoning is not worthy of you.


And what makes you think the IDF is so discerning in their targets? They attacked the USS Liberty with the intention of killing everyone aboard knowing it was a US vessel and they've been continuously killing tens of thousands of women and children, they also purposely target and kill journalists


OK. You're just spewing bullshit. Thanks.


Links to all of the sources, mostly US government docs, about the Liberty

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1D9Zaet2ypKD7H6gyxYtU...

One source of many about targeting journalists for over two decades

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/09/middleeast/israel-military-jo...

One source on IDF killing indiscriminately

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/02/middleeast/israel-bo...

And for some extra flavor have a few sources on the IDF posting videos of their abuse of Palestinians

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-09/ty-article-ma...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/idf-posting-abuse-foota...

Are these actions that of the "most moral army"?

These things are easily googlable yet you haven't bothered to do the slightest bit of reading before dismissing the claims outright. Even the US president had said that the attack on the Liberty was 100% intentional while knowing it was a US vessel


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I didn't realize that western values included apartheid regimes oppressing people. The examples show that this has been going on for a lot longer than Hamas has existed and that Israel is always the aggressor

Are you fine with Israel knowingly and purposefully attacking and killing US naval officers?

First you said I was spewing bullshit which implies falsehoods, but now the things I claim are true but they're just fine? That's nuts

You say they share western values, does that include freedom of the press? Do we kill journalists purposefully in the western world? Which values, precisely, are you referring to? Because I don't see them

Unless you mean to say that they aren't Muslim, which is what I see from a lot of the Zionist crowd

Not to mention, it isn't about the values of Hamas but the value of the lives of the Palestinian people. Israel has been oppressing and killing them for decades


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History such as how we needed Israel as opposition to other countries that would potentially align with the USSR? The USSR that no longer exists?

Here's a video based on US government documentation about the liberty and some of the history of Israeli lobbyists going back to the 1960s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CfABflKvFzk

On the topic of people cheering on death and slaughter, how about Israelis?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-crowds-chant-raci...

Is that the kind of value that you align with? People cheering on the oppression and slaughter within an apartheid state funded by your and my tax dollars

https://www.btselem.org/apartheid

We can wax poetic all we want about history but we need to live in the present and not fund ethnic cleansing




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