Wants to be. He reads a lot of code and tries to understand it and write his own. She will probably never be one of you, like and expert. But she's interested, she works laterally in the field - she's done a lot of hours on the intranet at her job. So I think she can be a developer in the future, a good developer. Now she has a degree in the field and... Wait. But then... she is already a developer. I don't know, man. It's a philosophical question.