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> Modern browsers are application runtimes with a very flexible delivery mechanism.

Clearly this is true. But as someone with an old-school preference for native applications over webapps (mostly for performance/ux/privacy reasons) it irritates me that I need to use an everything app just to browse HN or Wikipedia. I don't want to go all hairshirt and start using Lynx, I just want something with decent ux and a smaller vulnerability surface.




> it irritates me that I need to use an everything app just to browse HN or Wikipedia

But why?

That feels like saying it irritates someone they need to run Windows in order to run Notepad, when they don't need the capabilities of Photoshop at the moment.

An everything app is for everything. Including the simple things.

The last thing I'd want is to have to use one browser for simpler sites and another for more complex sites and webapps and constantly have to remember which one was for which.


Some of us don't use the web for anything other than websites. I'm honestly not even sure what people are talking about with some proliferation of "apps". There's discord/slack, and...? And chat was on the road to being an open protocol until Google/Facebook saw the potential for lockin and both dropped XMPP.

I already have an operating system. It's like saying I don't need notepad to be able to execute arbitrary programs with 3D capabilities and listen sockets because it's a text editor.

You also wouldn't need to remember what your generic sandbox app runtime is. Use your browser, and if you click on a link to an app, you'll be prompted to open the link using your default handler for that mime type.


> I'm honestly not even sure what people are talking about with some proliferation of "apps". There's discord/slack, and...?

Are you not familiar with Gmail or Google Maps or YouTube?

> I already have an operating system.

But Gmail and Google Maps and YouTube don't run on the OS. And this is a feature -- I can log into my Gmail on any browser without having to install anything. Life is so much easier when you don't have to install software, but just open a link.

> Use your browser, and if you click on a link to an app, you'll be prompted to open the link using your default handler for that mime type.

But I like having news links in Gmail open in a new tab in the same window. The last thing I want is to be juggling windows between different applications when tabs in the same app are such a superior UX.

Imagine how annoying it would be if my "app" browser had tabs for Gmail and Maps and YouTube and my "docs" browser had tabs for the NYT and WaPo and CNN, and I couldn't mix them?

Or if the NYT only worked in my "docs" browser, but opening a link to its crossword puzzle opened in my "apps" browser instead?

That's a terrible user experience for zero benefit at all.

(And I still would have to remember which is which, even if there's a MIME type, for when I want to go back to a tab I already opened!)


Calling gmail or youtube apps is already kind of a stretch. Gmail splits everything into separate web pages with the associated loading times and need to navigate back and forth. Exacerbating this is that it paginates things, which is something you only ever see in web pages. It lacks basic features you'd expect out of an application like ability to resize UI panes. Youtube has a custom, worse version of a <video> tag to prevent you from saving the videos (even CC licensed ones, which is probably a license violation), but is otherwise a bunch of minimally interactive web pages.

Maps is legitimately an interactive application, though I'd be surprised if most people don't use a dedicated app for it.

The point is you wouldn't have an "apps browser" with tabs. If something is nontrivial, launch it as an actual application, and let the browser be about browsing websites with minimal scripting like the crossword puzzle. Honestly there probably should be friction with launching apps because it's a horrible idea to randomly run code from every page you browse to, and expanding the scope of what that code is allowed to do is just piling on more bad ideas.


> it irritates me that I need to use an everything app just to browse HN or Wikipedia.

...this is possibly missing the point, but it occurs to me that you don't have to. Hacker News and Wikipedia are two websites I'd expect to work perfectly well in e.g. Links.

It's a bigger problem if you want to read the New York Times. I don't know whether the raw html is compatible, but if nothing else you have to log in to get past their paywall.




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