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Wouldn't a field strong enough to somehow produce this effect be more likely to short out on anything, taking you out like a bug zapper?



https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/53985/was-an-in...

"The article says that because of the insulating nature of the floor and and footwear, no discharges occurred."


From my experience rolling up 1500-pound rolls of plastic, it will start arcing out a few feet to the metal of the winder when it gets strong enough.

Charge builds up over time, so there ought to be some discussion of how the field changed between 0 charge and the invisible wall state.


Yeah I'm not sure this story makes sense either. Shoes may act as an insulator but wedding rings and belt buckles would presumably conduct.

Additionally potential differences tend to attract rather than repel unless these individuals were also charged with the same polarity as the field as far as I know.


When someone is talking about insulating shoes their point is that the body is electrically isolated from the floor. Without that isolation charge can travel between the two. Concrete and skin are fairly good conductors by comparison with air or insulators.

Wearing a conducting ring might make it easier for charge from the air to move into your body through your skin - but it will not make it easier for that charge to get to the floor (and then to ground) from your body.


Generally when people talk about shoes (or tires) they are talking about voltages that can jump the distance from their foot to the ground through air - around the shoe.

Most shoes are not great insulators - they insulate but how knows who much. electricians sometimes buy special shows that do insulate. Those shoes come with care instructions and dust on the outside compromises their insulation.


While you raise some valid points, you need 10kV to jump a 1cm gap. So in a domestic situation at the much lower voltage involved (130V / 250V) I imagine you don't need to worry so much about the air gap.

The care instructions and dust you mention sounds likely to be super important when you're casually touching live stuff while standing on a grounded floor.

In an electrostatic situation, the electrons can flow (almost) freely without the shoes / tyres and so a large differential between body / ground will not build up. With shoes, you'll need a large difference to build up (10kV? 20kV? More?) before it discharges.

Anyway, there is clearly a difference between these situations - even if the shoes don't provide magical protection. But the shoes are not magical, as you correctly describe.


> Wearing a conducting ring might make it easier for charge from the air to move into your body through your skin.

Which would likely make you a pretty nice load or resistor!


The skin is very resistive, the body itself is not. There is a soldier who "won the darwin award" by taking the probes of a multi-meter and after measuring their skin resistance decided to measure their internal resistance.

After piercing the skin, the test current from the multimeter (9v) was sufficient to electrocute this person. Sadly it (apparently) was a fatal injury. I couldn't find a reference, but the logic makes sense (50V sufficient to kill normally, skin is most of the protection).

When dealing with electricity, having items which reduce the protection your skin offers (metal rings, moisturizer, etc) is a substantial risk.


No, you need a path to ground for any current to flow. You need a difference in electrical potential more specifically.

When insulated, there is no difference. Your potential is “floating”.


Well, more correctly the difference needs to exceed the breakdown voltage of the insulation barrier. Or (depending on the insulator) some current might flow the entire time, but a limited amount.

Good point, a repulsive effect would have to be the same charge sign so no bug zapper.


Conduct... to where?


To your body.


No :) There must be a difference in electrical potential for current to flow between two points.

If the body is insulated from ground, the body is at the same potential. No current flows. No material conducts anything :)

For the same reasons, high voltage repairs can be done live from a helicopter: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9YmFHAFYwmY

Around 1:10 you can see the lineman connect the mains to the helicopter, to neutralize any potential difference.

After that, the lineman and the helicopter are at the same potential as the cable, so no current flows.

If someone dropped a line from the heli to the ground however.. zap!




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