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I don't think people with skin in the game are as cavalier about Vance as you are. He is after all, a heartbeat from the presidency whose incumbent will become the oldest on record - you probably don't want to be on his bad side - just in case. If he calls you, you probably want to pick up the phone and hear him out.



> He is after all, a heartbeat from the presidency

Vance has tremendous potential power. He has no say right now. That is evidenced to a remarkable degree, for such things so early in a Presidency, in the public record. People aren't bothering to keep him in the loop.

Also, Vance's power isn't solely conditional on Trump's EKG. He's very much constrained by MAGA and friends.

> If he calls you, you probably want to pick up the phone and hear him out

Of course. He's still my Vice President and from my interactions with him to date, a perfectly nice person.

But I wouldn't expect anything to come of it. I would not be able to take him at his word, not because I think he's dishonest, but because I really don't think he is in the know. And I can think of a few people I'd be willing to cut that call short for if they called during that call.


> He's very much constrained by MAGA and friends

A promoted president Vance will be in no way constrained or contained by MAGA if he has Thiel in his corner.


> A promoted president Vance will be in no way constrained or contained by MAGA if he has Thiel in his corner

What do you think Thiel brings to the table with MAGA?


I think it’s the other way around, what does MAGA offer Thiel.

They got him the presidency this time around, but he could dump them for centrists if that group is up for sale next time.


Nah. It's a cult and it does with the leader. Look how badly Desantis flopped when he tried to move up.




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