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I don't necessarily disagree with you, broadly.

The good news is that, I think, we don't really need - if fact, we probably don't really want - most people to accept anything, at least the specific context of this thread. It's about whether we can carve out a space - some space - for people like you and me.

> I've given up on trying to change the world.

I don't think you have. Speech matters. Ideas matter. I'm not going to try to quantify such things, but looking at your HN submissions and your comments - including this one - I think you are actively changing the world, for better or worse. If nothing else, you believe in objective truth, I think. We have a surprisingly large number of people who don't.

> Believe in Truth. To abandon facts is to abandon freedom. If nothing is true, then no one can criticize power, because there is no basis upon which to do so. If nothing is true, then all is spectacle. The biggest wallet pays for the most blinding lights.

Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny





> It's about whether we can carve out a space - some space - for people like you and me.

Yes. Society at large is a lost cause but maybe we can select some number of known good individuals and form a microsociety inside it where we can enjoy the freedom we crave.

There is a name for that: elitism. I'm not against it. Those who don't make the cut certainly will be.

> If nothing else, you believe in objective truth, I think.

I do.


"Everyone else is stupid. I'm not though. I should be part of the elite"

The apathy and disdain people like you display for your fellow citizens is doing more harm to freedoms all over the world than most other efforts.


Oh please.

I've tried to debate politics with people so childishly stupid they thought just giving everyone a million dollars would make everyone rich and solve the world's problems. They thought the government just didn't want to give them the money, like it was a conspiracy to keep them down.

I'm tired of it, and I'm tired of people like that having a say in the future of nations.

I'm no super genius but I'm done being humble. Even a total pleb like me can rise above a good chunk of my "fellow citizens" because frankly the bar's pretty low.


Too bad intelligence isn't the prerequisite to being an elite, so you'll be turned into Soylent Green just like the rest of us.

Anyway I'd take those people over someone as elitist and arrogant as you any day.


> I'd take those people over someone as elitist and arrogant as you any day.

Yes, that's how it's done. Take those people, then exclude me. Form your own group without "elitists and arrogants" such as myself.

You get it. You're just like me. You just have... Different exclusion criteria.




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