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Prison should altogether be banned for non-violent crimes, in favor of monitored house arrest, allowing only medical and legal outdoor visits. At least this should be an option for whoever can afford it. In prison there is bad food, bad healthcare, slave labor, occasionally torture, and exposure to bad people and ideas that perpetuate crime.




Why should prisoner who can afford it get better conditions? To me there should be equality. Treat everyone the same in punishments.

I agree with you on the ideal of equality.

Practically speaking, even the option to be home bound if you have a home, apartment, or willing caretaker could be a serious blow to the prison industrial complex, and the incentive structures that allow these guards to commit horrific abuse.


I'd expect that removing everyone with resources to fight back against horrific abuse would make the abuse far more horrific, not less.

I thought about that too, but I don’t think your resources matter much once you’re in the penal system except to bribe or pay for protection.

Honestly I’m not sure how it would pan out but it does appear that the power to abuse is directly correlated with the number of inmates and revenue generated as a result thereof.


It is equal opportunity. As per the proposal, if the person cannot afford it, the state arranges for their residence, which specifically is prison.

Will this residence be the same quality as the highest quality residence currently employed to imprison someone?

Ah, yes, "equal opportunity".

The rich and the poor alike are forbidden from sleeping under bridges!

Everyone has exactly the same opportunity to invest in the stock market and make high returns!

Y'know, aside from the pesky fact that a large percentage of Americans have no savings—not because they are feckless and irresponsible with their money, but because wages have not risen to match expenses over the course of several decades.

And the pesky fact that poverty among marginalized groups is disproportionately much higher than among able-bodied white men.

Yes, truly everyone has exactly the same opportunities in this great country of ours!


So if you commit financial crimes and have a massive mansion, you get to just be at home and order door dash, plot your next scam, have visitors. Even without the amazing house it's already way less bad than even COVID restrictions. That's not a punishment

The if you can afford it bit makes makes it even more likely that rich and powerful aren't appropriately punished for their crimes.

Maybe improve the prisons instead so everyone has a proper chance at rehabilitation.


I think we should improve prison conditions, but we still need prisons to keep criminals from reoffending and serve as a deterrent. Non-violent crime isn't victimless and we want to decrease it, not increase it.

There are better ways.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence that prison is, in many cases, a net negative, as it takes people who committed crimes of opportunity or poverty and turns them into either hardened criminals who see it as a lifestyle, or people who have no choice but to commit crimes to survive, as we treat them as nonpersons and shut them out of society.


There aren't any other ways.

There is zero evidence prison is a net negative for society. No one is running RCTs here. Progressives advocating this stuff completely ignore second order effects and we see them play out in west coast cities. The other major fallacy is that criminals can or want to be rehabilitated -- they mostly can't or won't. Prison is undoubtedly negative for the criminals, but that doesn't mean it is a net negative for society.


true but most victimless crime is non violent

Ideally, I agree. Along with other freedom limitations depending on the crime (corruption should prevent you from actively managing your money/assets).

The issue is what to do for people without a house. But in a perfect society, you're right. We still are not there yet, so working on improving the current systems should be preferred.


So many more people hide out in their homes since covid, anyway. It wouldn't seem like much of a punishment to them.

For a not insignificant chunk of the population, staying inside your house is not a deterrent to crime.

CA started to do this and crime got much worse. No thanks.



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