> that perspective has been eclipsed by all the <insert color> pill people anyway
though I think I get the general idea; the culture has moved on since the early 2010s.
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> To seduce someone is to entice, make them fill with anticipation, and so on. I feel certain female seducers, that have a social media presence about it, explain that part relatively well.
I see no contradiction with what I am saying, apart from (a) the (orthogonal) emphasis on the emotional state being cultivated in the target; and (b) that these speakers are unapologetic.
Certainly I have seen efforts to reclaim "seduction" as a kind of "girl power", but there are a few issues with it. The biggest -- and I know this norms on a particular kind of relationship, but I will do so -- is that it primarily makes sense to cultivate this as a "skill" if you plan to have a large number of short term relationships. For many reasons, including the theory of repeated games, I think this is not good for the individual or for society. Instead I would encourage the formation of lifelong pair bonds -- which, yes, has sexy/fun aspects of
> entic[ing], mak[ing] them fill with anticipation
but I think that would be a little further from the archetypes of the word "seduction".
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If we are looking for a word with positive connotations, I would be a little more comfortable with a gender-neutral use of our other word, "charisma".
I know that the word was used in non-sexual contexts, but was it really original or by analogy like it often is today?
And that source seems wrong when claiming sexual use is modern, since it absolutely is used in sexual contexts in Latin, e.g. in Augustine's Confessions.
Consider also uses like, "do not be seduced by fascism".
Or:
> Pope Francis: ‘The devil is a seducer’
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2023/12/27/pope-franci...
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I am a little curious what you mean by
> that perspective has been eclipsed by all the <insert color> pill people anyway
though I think I get the general idea; the culture has moved on since the early 2010s.
...
> To seduce someone is to entice, make them fill with anticipation, and so on. I feel certain female seducers, that have a social media presence about it, explain that part relatively well.
I see no contradiction with what I am saying, apart from (a) the (orthogonal) emphasis on the emotional state being cultivated in the target; and (b) that these speakers are unapologetic.
Certainly I have seen efforts to reclaim "seduction" as a kind of "girl power", but there are a few issues with it. The biggest -- and I know this norms on a particular kind of relationship, but I will do so -- is that it primarily makes sense to cultivate this as a "skill" if you plan to have a large number of short term relationships. For many reasons, including the theory of repeated games, I think this is not good for the individual or for society. Instead I would encourage the formation of lifelong pair bonds -- which, yes, has sexy/fun aspects of
> entic[ing], mak[ing] them fill with anticipation
but I think that would be a little further from the archetypes of the word "seduction".
...
If we are looking for a word with positive connotations, I would be a little more comfortable with a gender-neutral use of our other word, "charisma".