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New Mexico's 'Atari Dump' to Be Excavated (westerndigs.blogspot.com)
97 points by BigSky on May 31, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 61 comments



I wonder if part of one of these shipments made it to Juarez, the city in Mexico right across from El Paso, TX and not too far from New Mexico. One day a truck full of flattened, new Atari game boxes appeared my street.

All the kids around the neighborhood started taking boxes from the truck and someone figured out you could toss the flat boxes like freesbies. We had tons of fun throwing these boxes around and it didn't occur to me how strange it was to find these empty, new boxes until many years later. I couldn't figure out how this truck-full of boxes was on our street. At the time Juarez was a major manufacturer of electronics and other stuff for the US so, in retrospect, it's possible the boxes actually originated from there.


So the box was more fun without the game cartridge...


Only if the game cartridge was in a game console and you were playing it.


Next they need to go after the 1986 Apple Lisa landfill! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_lisa#The_end_of_the_Lisa


Yes, yes, and yes.


Just use the voting arrow.


Just use the down arrow...


Not everyone has the down arrow.


I've wondered for a while about that as I don't have a down arrow. How do I get one?


I believe the downvote button appears when one gains a certain amount of upvotes. However, this rumored event seems like a myth to me.


It exists! I think the amount of karma required might be in the 2000 range at the moment.


Maybe you need the HN Gold Account..


The situations are not analogous. My replying to him provides more information than a mere downvote would: it explains why I didn't like his comment.

His comment did not do that.


Good point. Still a little too meta imo, but I retract my snap judgement.


Why do you think I am a guy? Sexist asshole.


Why? It is not like you can trade in Karma points for a new car. Just another popularity contest.


But just saying "yes" takes space on the page and doesn't add anything to the discussion. At least say why you're so excited or something.


Signal vs. Noise. This whole thread is noise, which is why I'm downvoting every comment in it (including mine.)


I've upvoted every downvote in protest of the inequity in not having the ability to downvote.


Anybody else want to downvote this? Please feel free. Lulz


you've opened my eyes to a method of getting quick downvotes when i need them, like for when i try to keep my karma at 666 and some ignorant do-gooder thinks he's doing me a favor by upvoting one of my comments


upvote for you. I see you are mid 400. Need to get you back to 666.


It looks like deadfall

( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐□-□ (⌐□_□)

Has been rendered karmatose.


Going from 11 to -11 is not that bad.


Back around 2006 a man by the name of Adam Bailey did a pretty in-depth look into the Atari landfill. The site appears to be gone now, but the Wayback Machine looks like it has a full copy.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070307122420/http://atari.digit...

An excavation should be interesting. There are years of post-Atari dump trash and other material to get through.

In talking to the author back then he said that Atari poured cement on their material in the landfill in 1983, but the landfill was still in use until the until the 90's when the EPA marked the site for hazardous material and shut it down. The landfill was setup before rubber bladders were mandatory and it was leaking into the water table. The protocol for capping a landfill at the time was a thick layer of natural clay with methane vent pipes. After that, at least a foot of dirt is placed on top.

After capping it went on to be used for recreational purposes (ATVs, 4x4s, etc.).


Slightly off-topic, but I am extremely impressed that the New York Times has online archives of their 1983 stories. (I almost wrote "1983 website", but then I caught myself. <:)

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/28/business/atari-parts-are-d...


Oh man, the Atari 5200. I'd almost forgotten. We didn't have a 2600 but my folks got duped into the 5200 being 'the next big thing'. I guess I should be grateful, without that failure my folks wouldn't of had a reason to buy the Commodore 64 later on which not only had games but also could be used for a lot more.

Also, when talking about E.T. and the landfill you are obliged to link to the music video made by an indie band about the fiasco[1].

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rt_3_bQVJU


It's been YEARS since I've seen that video last. God bless YouTube :-).

A guy named Adam Bailey, who did a pretty good look at the Atari Landfill site in the mid-2000s, approached the band about the video. While the video is cool, it is actually fake. It was filmed in Texas using games with E.T. labels printed for them.

This makes sense, as Atari dumped the games in 1983 but the landfill was in use until the 90's. Any digging should have a fair amount of debris. There is 7 years of trash to get through, not to mention the poured concrete.


I got a copy of E.T. as the chip without a cartridge from my uncle way back in the day. That was one of the most frustrating games I've ever played ... I swear, falling into those pits still haunts me to this day.


Someone went through the ROM dump and fixed the worst bits! :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5470446


Wow, that's amazing!


Someone needs to inform the Angry Video Game Nerd about this!


I hope someone posts about it when the documentary is available.'it could be a while...


I hope it's more exciting than Al Capone's vault.[1]

[1]:http://bestofthe80s.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/geraldo-and-al-...


While I'm a huge Atari fan and I really want to see what's under the dirt, a small part of me will be sad that this legend will come to an end when I do.


I wonder if the cartridges will work better if you blow the dirt out of them before plugging them in?


If you read the NYTimes article linked here in the comments you'll see that they poured concrete over everything before burying it.


Unless my math is wrong, I'm pretty sure 1983 was 30 years ago, not 40.


2013-1983 = 30, you are right.


Having been born in 1983 I can confirm it is in fact 30 years ago.


Off-topic, but Alamogordo is a beautiful area. Very close to the White Sands National Monument. If anyone is ever in that area, I'd recommend visiting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sands_National_Monument


White Sands is pretty wild.

I went there once a few years ago during the summer. It was brutally hot out and dry as hell, but the sand was so cool you could have sworn there was an ice-rink under it or something. Even weirder though, it hurt to stare directly at the sand for too long since it reflected sunlight so well. I expect that you could probably get snow-blindness from staring at it for too long.

It felt like being in a field of gritty snow inside of an oven.


Agreed. On days where it's more desolate than usual I like to imagine I'm on a distant alien planet.

Alamogordo is about an hour away from where I live, I can't help but wonder if they'll let me pay a visit and check it out.


And I know Alamogordo as the site of the

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)


Actually the test was closer Socorro and the small town of San Antonio, NM (birthplace of the Hilton dynasty.) It was on what is now White Sands Missile Range which is very close to Alamogordo, but there is a mountain range between the test site and Alamogordo. The blast was visible from San Antonio though.

I would add that Alamogordo was the fictitious location of the giant ants in the film "Them!"


They open it once a year but you can see the site as you drive by. Very close to the outskirts Socorro, although WSMR is so large it covers both sides of the range if I'm not mistaken.


I remember reading about someone looking into this years ago. Just googled the story: https://atariage.com/forums/topic/66637-ataris-landfill-adve...


With the exception of maybe asteroids and pong, pre 8bit NES games pretty much sucked. The control were to unresponsive. I think NES really was the dawn of video games with at least some depth to them.


Don't be unfair. There was much more to like in the 2600 than Asteroids and Space Invaders. My favorites included:

  - Galaxian
  - Enduro
  - Megamania
  - The Empire Strikes Back
  - Defender
  - Ms. Pac Man
  - Berserk
  - Battlezone and Robot Tank
  - Q*Bert
River Raid was already mentined elsewhere. It also forced you to stop at 1 million points.

Of course, the NES was a much better machine than the 2600. That, however, doesn't doom all 2600 games.


Also:

  - Pitfall
  - Adventure
  - Missile Command


I would add River Raid to that short list -- it's one of the few pre-NES games that still holds up.


Donkey Kong and Space Invaders had pre-NES cartridge incarnations as well, I remember them being enjoyable though I honestly don't remember what system I played them on. I know it wasn't Colecovision, either one of the Ataris or Intellivision.

Though I'll agree about the controllers -- though personally I preferred the infamous disk on the Intellivision to even the Atari 2600 joystick so I'm probably biased towards that paradigm anyway. I also enjoyed Treasure of Tarmin far, far more than I had any right to.

[edit] though not as much as Misty Mountain.

(Stupid snakes.)


I actually was thinking of Space Invaders. True DK was enjoyable but it was still a game with basically one screen with a few different variations.

One can find at least a dozen games one would like to play on almost every generation but when it gets to pre NES there are but a few.


I remember Burger Time being fun. As well as Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, and a game called Utopia, but I was a kid at the time. I may have to try and play them now to re-evaluate.


  | the infamous disk on the Intellivision 
There was an add-on where you could snap a joystick onto the controller (which looked more like a remote) and it would ride above the disk.


Huh.

Given how loose the disks were, I don't know if that would have been much of an improvement or not. Probably would've been, but not by much.


Regarding depth: I believe that in the future (with the advent of consumer VR) your comment (with slight changes) will still be applicable


As a NM resident I might be overly sensitive, but the phrase "across the border in New Mexico," could imply to the misinformed that New Mexico is not part of the US.


It worked for Geraldo.


That is going to be one toxic excavation, I hope they wear the proper protective clothing.


I scrolled down to see if someone mentioned what I was thinking. Unearthing electronics made 30+ years ago is not a good idea unless kids in the area have an unusually high rate of birth defects.

I can't imagine the insurance cost for this documentary, if their underwriter even knows what they're doing.

"E.T. Comes Home, Or How We Created A Superfund Site"




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