1. Why do work collegues party with each other? Isn't work for work and non-work for non-work? Why mix the two? That's asking for shit, throwing professionality out the window. At my recent places of employ I have religously avoided any private contact with my collegues.
This gives me an air of professionality and a sense of trust = "Icecreampain will treat me fairly because he is not best friends with the boss or married to the CEO".
2. Body shots, in my world, are reserved to college students who are going to party and fuck all night, and ... yeah, that's about it. I can't see 40 och 60 year olds doing body shots because it's the in thing to do at a bar.
3. Writing about such an experience, a drunken stupor at a bar, and accusing people of this and that smacks of, as others have said, the behaviour that that false Adria Richards character displayed at Pycon. She accused people of sexism while previously having written sexist and racist articles herself, then trying to get social media on her side by photographing a couple of real developers - just to get herself a few more minutes of fame.
I can't condone exposing other people's privacy like this and, thanks to people like the hypocrite Adria Richards, I'm always suspect of any cries of "assault" or "rape". Too many people have cried wolf for me to automatically believe one person's account of a situation. And the witnesses? I'm suspectful of their allegiances: see point 1.
If a crime was committed it's up to the courts system to decide, not her or her blog followers. Even if the courts dismiss the case, at least her police report will contribute to statistics.
So why not report it to the police (preferrably the day after)?
Like some other posts note, there are eyewitnesses (including a pair that wrote about it). It's very unlikely to be made up, even though her account is very one-sided.
Sadly, it's really clear from this post that this poor young woman has other issues in her life. And those issues will probably not be improved with the way she's chosen to handle this unfortunate event.
I'm not going to speak to your other points, but I agree with your final point.
We have a rule of law in our country (the UK), the same as you do in yours. This smells like a lynching.
I think generally it's important to believe the victim, but also believe that the accused is innocent until proven otherwise, in a court of law, by a jury of their peers. Our criminal justice systems cannot work unless this is true.
Everyone is so insistent that victims be believed that they forget about 'innocent until proven guilty'.
Innocent until proven guilty means the law needs to presume that you are innocent until a court proves you guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard not a requirement that everybody in society adheres to in their own personal judgement.
If the courts think you are guilty of a crime, they can send you to jail. If I think you are guilty of a crime, I can't send you to jail. The difference in practical results is why there's a difference in the evidential standards used.
> That's asking for shit, throwing professionality out the window.
Professionals can enjoy a party and not have shit happen.
> This gives me an air of professionality
Do you understand the distinction of having an air of professionalism and actually being professional?
And that's fine. If you can't handle a party without asking for shit, it's good that you know the limits of yourself and your coworkers. However, don't presume that others lack these same abilities.
> Do you understand the distinction of having an air of professionalism and actually being professional?
I was assuming that being professional also gives out that air. It's been a while (20 years) since I've used English as my primary language so my grasp of some concepts has loosened somewhat.
Also: being Swedish I'm from a country that knows to get proper drunk at parties, and a whole bunch of stupid shit happens at office parties. Shit that could easily be avoided by not being there to start off with...
1. Why do work collegues party with each other? Isn't work for work and non-work for non-work? Why mix the two? That's asking for shit, throwing professionality out the window. At my recent places of employ I have religously avoided any private contact with my collegues.
This gives me an air of professionality and a sense of trust = "Icecreampain will treat me fairly because he is not best friends with the boss or married to the CEO".
2. Body shots, in my world, are reserved to college students who are going to party and fuck all night, and ... yeah, that's about it. I can't see 40 och 60 year olds doing body shots because it's the in thing to do at a bar.
3. Writing about such an experience, a drunken stupor at a bar, and accusing people of this and that smacks of, as others have said, the behaviour that that false Adria Richards character displayed at Pycon. She accused people of sexism while previously having written sexist and racist articles herself, then trying to get social media on her side by photographing a couple of real developers - just to get herself a few more minutes of fame.
I can't condone exposing other people's privacy like this and, thanks to people like the hypocrite Adria Richards, I'm always suspect of any cries of "assault" or "rape". Too many people have cried wolf for me to automatically believe one person's account of a situation. And the witnesses? I'm suspectful of their allegiances: see point 1.
If a crime was committed it's up to the courts system to decide, not her or her blog followers. Even if the courts dismiss the case, at least her police report will contribute to statistics.
So why not report it to the police (preferrably the day after)?