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I backed this movie & I am very excited about this movie! The trailer looks amazing as well.

Also- I would strongly encourage people to also look at Aaron's writing on making Wikipedia better (which has profound consequences for the internet) http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/whowriteswikipedia

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So did the Gang of 500 actually write Wikipedia? Wales decided to run a simple study to find out: he counted who made the most edits to the site. “I expected to find something like an 80-20 rule: 80% of the work being done by 20% of the users, just because that seems to come up a lot. But it’s actually much, much tighter than that: it turns out over 50% of all the edits are done by just .7% of the users … 524 people. … And in fact the most active 2%, which is 1400 people, have done 73.4% of all the edits.” The remaining 25% of edits, he said, were from “people who [are] contributing … a minor change of a fact or a minor spelling fix … or something like that.”

==== Curious and skeptical, I decided to investigate. ====

I purchased some time on a computer cluster and downloaded a copy of the Wikipedia archives. I wrote a little program to go through each edit and count how much of it remained in the latest version.† Instead of counting edits, as Wales did, I counted the number of letters a user actually contributed to the present article.

If you just count edits, it appears the biggest contributors to the Alan Alda article (7 of the top 10) are registered users who (all but 2) have made thousands of edits to the site. Indeed, #4 has made over 7,000 edits while #7 has over 25,000. In other words, if you use Wales’s methods, you get Wales’s results: most of the content seems to be written by heavy editors.

But when you count letters, the picture dramatically changes: few of the contributors (2 out of the top 10) are even registered and most (6 out of the top 10) have made less than 25 edits to the entire site. In fact, #9 has made exactly one edit — this one! With the more reasonable metric — indeed, the one Wales himself said he planned to use in the next revision of his study — the result completely reverses.

I don’t have the resources to run this calculation across all of Wikipedia (there are over 60 million edits!), but I ran it on several more randomly-selected articles and the results were much the same. For example, the largest portion of the Anaconda article was written by a user who only made 2 edits to it (and only 100 on the entire site). By contrast, the largest number of edits were made by a user who appears to have contributed no text to the final article (the edits were all deleting things and moving things around).




Coincidentally, today I was going to edit a wikipedia article to correct a factual error in it but there was a note as a comment which discouraged against precisely that. Looking at the talk page I saw a bunch of wikipedia wankery on the subject (basically amounting to: this is the way we do things at wikipedia, thems the rules!) with issues of "no original research" and so forth, completely ignoring the fundamental importance of correctness. In the end I left the page alone, it's not worth the hassle. And that's one of the major problems with wikipedia today. Back when wikipedia was relatively unimportant and the main goal was simply duplicating data from elsewhere a lot of the foundational decisions for the site were valid, today those decisions are increasingly dangerous.

Worse, as the example of Aaron's research shows the folks who run Wikipedia are largely ignorant of these issues and don't think any change is necessary.


I had a similar experience on Wikipedia some years ago. I did some research for a couple of articles, but unfortunately it all got deleted, at which point I thought that further engagement wasn't worth the effort.


Yes - editing is super hard.

I gave up trying to edit a Wikipedia page as well & this specific one was a table which was even harder.

Editing should be as easy what the hackpad guys built.

Other things that Wikipedia should have had: Charts/graphs (only recently added)/ Embeddable video /Embeddable spreadsheets


I simply hate editing Wikipedia articles. Too many restrictions, too many rules, too much bureaucracy to go around if someone doesn't like your edits.

I detest doing substantive contributions. Too much control and too much conservatism as to what gets to be and gets to be included in it.

The various autonomous wikis are usually better in these aspects but because of the issues above, they cannot contribute much upstream.


This is really interesting. You should write a blog post and publish the source.


The source is linked int he beginning of his comment: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/whowriteswikipedia . He was quoting it.


nrao123 is quoting Swartz, the deceased.


I think he/she means source code.




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