It seems difficult for pornhub to do anything about this(from a hosting perspective), considering people also will upload completely consensual videos along the same lines (where the "victim" is just pretending to be passed out and is fully consenting).

Pornhub could make you sign an affidavit, but even then, it is relying on trusting the uploading party - if they are already breaking the law by uploading non consensual sexual assault videos, odds are they will probably check the affidavit box saying that everyone in the video has consented.

Pornhub has already mostly fixed this problem by only allowing uploads from verified accounts. It won't 100% eliminate it, sure, but when the site has your real name, picture, ID etc. you will be much less likely to upload stuff that you aren't completely sure is legal and consensual.

It didn't destroy community-generated porn, it removed it from their servers (or at least removed the publics opportunity to download it from their servers).

Sure, but you can't just check the affidavit box when you have to have all parties in the video identified, registered with the site with government ID, and everyone in the video has to approve it before it goes live.

It's wild that we just offload all responsibility to the victims who have to scour the internet and issue takedown requests for videos because hosting sites literally can't be bothered to actually get consent beforehand.

If there is a husband who is living with his wife, and he drugs her and sexually assaults her, wouldn't he also have access to her ID to scan it and upload it? I guess at a certain point, any kind of roadblocks will lower the chances this person uploading the content.

What's the alternative to victims scouring the internet and issuing takedown requests? Some centralized porn database where you can type in someone's name and see what porn they've done?

> What's the alternative to victims scouring the internet and issuing takedown requests? Some centralized porn database where you can type in someone's name and see what porn they've done?

I mean this completely unironically: ContentID. It exists exactly for this use-case because copyright holders don't want to scour the internet for violations either. If you're a victim and you find that someone posted a video of you being assaulted online you should be able to register that video with ContentID and have every site immediately and automatically take down the video everywhere.

Yes it will only affect above-board sites but broadly speaking those are the sites with large audiences and the ones you really care about.

We already have an apparatus to do this for copyrighted material that people go far further out of their way to share and download. It should be far easier to get some amateur porn video off the web than a BDrip of Disney's Coco.

If the question is "who should shoulder the cost of takedown," my suggestion is that offenders and porn industry behemoths should pay into a fund that finances redflagged content takedown efforts.

Requiring real names, age, and contact info from uploaders and everyone in the video would discourage people well beyond a simple checkbox. Similarly, adding video fingerprinting should make it very easy to avoid someone uploading the same video again.

Real name policies in this context have an obvious flaw when the host gets hacked and now the ostensibly private records fall into the hands of criminals who start blackmailing everyone to reveal to their bosses and families that they were involved in the creation of pornography.

The ability to remain pseudonymous is more important in this context than many others.

> Similarly, adding video fingerprinting should make it very easy to avoid someone uploading the same video again.

Those systems don't really work, because the uploaders can tell when it's rejected so they can keep messing with the file until it's accepted. Or they upload it to a different host each time, or to a file rather than video host who can't see the contents because it was encrypted and the key is distributed to the downloaders with the link but the host doesn't have it.

I personally "online"-know people where I have no doubt they share their porn with consent of everybody involved (e.g. they often hold signs up with messages for their fans), but who at the same time would never share their identity because of the social repercussions if certain neighbors or coworkers or their families learned about their "hobby".

Same as reddit's r/gonewild really, where posters would verify themselves with handwritten signs, but most would never even dream of handing over a copy of their driver's license to moderators or reddit.

I'd argue such a "sign-holding" verification method in regards to consent is far more conclusive and secure than any checkbox + copy-of-some-id method ever could be, and yet every campaigner/activist out there seems to rave on about real names and government id, which is a worse method that also comes with a huge chilling effect.

(I also happen to know that a lot of horny husbands share the ids of their wives with other people. I am not condoning that in any way. But of course is another way other than hacks where verification by government id can go horribly wrong)

> If people don’t want to be associated with these videos then perhaps they shouldn’t be uploaded.

I don't often use the word privilege, but there it is.

What’s privileged about suggesting you shouldn’t upload videos of people without their consent. It’s often illegal for very good reason.

> What’s privileged about suggesting you shouldn’t upload videos of people without their consent.

You're suggesting that people shouldn't upload videos of themselves with the consent of everyone involved unless they are willing to attach their full name in a way that could plausibly lead to their employer or entire extended family discovering it.

This is a serious concern for people in conservative religious families or who work for people who are. It increases their risk of unjust retaliation or violence and impairs their ability to express themselves when the increased risk induces self-censorship.

What you said looked more like "If women didn't want videos of violence against them uploaded, they shouldn't do that."

How can you twist: “If people don’t want to be associated with these videos then perhaps they shouldn’t be uploaded.”

To what you just said?

The entire thread is about people uploading videos without other people’s consent, so I really don’t understand the mental gymnastics involved.

The entire problem is that people don't want to be associated with videos which have already been uploaded against their will.

It seemed like your comment missed that point.

The proverbial horse is already out of the barn, and it sounded like you were suggesting closing the proverbial barn doors.

So I take it Retric is your full legal name? Or are you posting under a pseudonym? If you don't want to be associated with your comments maybe they shouldn't be made.

Is that the point you are trying to make? Why is porn "special" in this regard?

It’s video that’s special in this case not porn. Comments come from one person, video can include hundreds but only one person needs to upload it.

In the cases of Mainstream movies you can trace consent before they end up on the big screen. But, online it seems like people want anyone with access to a file to be able to do anything with it. Hacker find some cool footage, wow let’s post it to everyone!

If society weren't bunch of puritanical prudes walking around with sticks firmly implanted in their rectums whether someone created pornography or not wouldn't be an issue at all.

This entire "problem" is the result of society's backwards thinking towards sex and sexuality.

People not wanting videos of them being raped to be uploaded has nothing to do with them being prudes.

I wouldn’t want someone to upload a video of me being mauled by a Tigre or suffer some other horrific event being posted online without my consent.

You could just toss anyone's contact information into a web form. If you really want to verify ID, you have to physically check it in the real world.

Yea, verifying identity isn’t cheap, but that doesn’t mean you can skip it because it seems like a hassle.

there are many things that PH can do. they could simply require verification of both participants. or they could just reject any such videos if there is even a doubt about consent. I think recently they just axed the whole "community videos" (only because VISA and Mastercard cut ties with them), so you must be a pro to upload. or did that change already?

I think the right approach is for gov to regulate this as prostitution (in Europe at least). you can't just let anyone make porn videos because women and children will get abused, same as with prostitution. you regulate it so whoever wants to do it can do it safely. if you're not a licensed porn actor then you can't upload.

If my fetish is people over-eating, does someone who stuffs their face with 10 Big Macs (completely clothed) need to get approval to upload to pornhub?

Community uploads to pornhub don't feel like prostitution to me, because for the most part no one is doing it for money, merely because they're horny or enjoy it.

well if it falls under the legal definition of porn then yes, otherwise no. I don't know what is the legal definition. right now there is no regulation at all, which is crazy. or there is but somehow it doesn't apply to pornhub. we could start with something simple and obvious that covers most videos. something is better than nothing.

> Community uploads to pornhub don't feel like prostitution to me, because for the most part no one is doing it for money, merely because they're horny or enjoy it.

I meant we can regulate for the same reason prostitution is regulated, to make it safer.

But if there is no financial incentive in sex, then isn't it more like just attempting to regulate the private sex lives of individuals? Prostitution is regulated, but there is no regulation (at least in any Western country that I know of), that prevents a person from just going out and having sex with other consenting adults.

Yes Canadian law makes this a crime including civil damages.