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You don’t lose money on bonds you hold to maturity. 100% of the principal will become liquid upon maturity.



If you need to repay the bond's principal now (as SVB does), then you lose the extra interest you need to pay on the money you'll borrow today until you get the full principal back at maturity. You don't lose money if you can borrow money at the same rate as the bond coupons pay, you lose money if now the interest is higher. You can't simply treat dollars-after-X-years as equivalent to dollars-now, those are two different 'currencies' and the former is worth less.


> extra interest you need to pay on the money you'll borrow today until you get the full principal back at maturity

Thank you, great concise explanation, lightbulb moment for me. I understood it but couldn't clearly communicate it.

So to make depositors whole today, you need to borrow money today, and the extra interest paid to borrow the money is more than the interest you get when the long-term bonds finally mature. The difference is the loss.

Which is why they had to take a loss on selling the bonds, as it's essentially the same loss. They are out money whether they sell the long-term bonds today, or if they borrow money today. Bonds are discounted appropriately by whomever buys them.

Question is, why didn't SVB do anything when they saw this coming? I've seen articles saying the board was aware of the risk issues for the past year. [1]

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahbarsky/2023/03/12/silicon-v...


> If you need to repay the bond's principal now (as SVB does)

Not anymore. Now the question is, how does the government make depositors whole? I doubt they will go flog the bonds on the open market or get loans at market rate like idiots. The point of this intervention is to bypass the market mechanisms that caused this and put the government as a backstop.


If you need to pay someone now, the fact that in X years you have the money creates costs - whether the bonds pay 100% or not at maturity doesn't really matter, only the current MtM matters for money now as opposed to money in the future.


You lose money by not being invested into the better yielding options while you are waiting your bonds to mature.


Whoosh the goalposts are moving fast on this one.

What you are talking about is opportunity cost, not investment losses. If SVB could have held their bonds to maturity they would have gotten back every cent of the principal.


Yes, but you also need to look at the net present value. A loan today would need to be at below market rate interest in order to match up with the value of the bonds held to maturity.

Interest rates rising means products with a fixed rate yield are worth less today. That value isn't gotten back by waiting until maturity. The nominal value is retrieved, yes, but the money in the future is literally worth less.

SVB was very poorly run. We can see that easily now in retrospect.


The nominal value is what matters because deposits are also nominally valued.

We don't live in a magical world where deposits (aka liabilities) are exempt from inflation and the assets that back them are not.

If you owe someone $1000 you owe them one thousand dollars. Not the value or purchasing power of one thousand dollars -- literally one thousand things called dollars.

So if you take $1000 in deposits, you buy $1000 in bonds, you wait until the bonds mature, and then your depositor withdraws $1000, you will be fine no matter if that happens in one year or a hundred years, no matter what the rate of inflation is. Your assets and liabilities will cancel out.

If your depositor tries to get their $1000 back before the bonds mature, you are screwed. That is what happened to SVB. If all of SVB's bonds had been mature by last Friday it would have been fine. Pretty much every article in the financial press about this fiasco has made that point.

It is amazing to see people twist themselves up in knots about opportunity cost and inflation when this is so basic. If liquid assets equal liabilities in the literal number of dollars, you are even, you are solvent, and your depositors get their money back.

> A loan today would need to be at below market rate interest in order to match up with the value of the bonds held to maturity.

Well, it's a government loan, so they can do that if they want to.


so they would've been fine if only everyone could've waited 30 years? isn't that completely irrelevant to probably every depositor?


Of course it is irrelevant to depositors, that is why the bank failed.

However, it also proves that holding bonds to maturity is different from selling them at market rates. It demonstrates the distinction between solvency and liquidity. Every financial publication has made this point when discussing SVB in order to educate their readership about the problems of duration risk and explain how a bank with enough assets to cover liabilities can still fail.

Now, the nice thing is, the government has time to wait for the bonds to mature. So the government can take the bonds, pay off the depositors, and get the money back when the bonds mature. The government won't lose money if they do it right -- just like they didn't lose money with TARP in 2008.


They cannot hold to maturity. Because you cannot offer your depositors 1.45% on deposits when their best alternative is 4.5-5% in risk free money market funds and treasury bills. Depositors won't just sit there and watch 6%+ inflation eat away at the real value of their deposits. The assets are correctly priced and bond losses are real.


They are an investment loss if you need to sell them at a loss, which seems to be the case here.

Also, at some point the difference between opportunity cost and investment loss becomes rather semantic. In a liquid market, you should be able to sell and rebuy your positions every day, which you generally don't do of course, but it does mean that the decision not to sell is similar to the decision to buy: if you wouldn't buy under these circumstances, you should sell.

With these bonds, their low interest makes them less attractive than newer bonds with higher interest, so nobody will want to buy these lower interest bonds at face value when higher interest bonds are available. They'll only buy these at a discount that would make their profit comparable to those of higher interest bonds. So the value drops, so that's a loss.

Personally I've never seen the point in buying low-interest bonds. But then I'm not a banker.


It's not moving the goalposts - this is an actual, real, and extremely sneaky loss. Having bonds that will pay out say $100 in eight years time is pretty much exactly equivalent to having the reduced value of those bonds now (say $80) because if you had that reduced amount of money now you could invest it in similar bonds and receive $100 in eight years time. In fact, I think with current interest rates you could even stick it in more liquid bank accounts or short-term bills and likely still receive more interest whilst not being locked in.


Better yielding options come with more risk – that's typically why they are better yielding !


Only a potential buyer would lose. Not SVB - for them the price and return is locked if they can wait. The problem comes when they are forced to sell (as they were).

This is why the bond price falls - an outside party will not buy the SVB bonds because they can get a better return on a different bond. The bond price falls to make them equivalent.


In addition to my comment below, the following are financially equivalent [I simplify a bit]:

1. Give 80 cents on the dollar to each depositor and say tough-luck. 2. Give $1 dollar to each depositor upon bond maturity [for sake of example let's say 10 years].

Option 1: Depositor takes the cash, buys a new bond with the same maturity [but it would have higher yield, say closer to 4%] at current market price. At maturity they have $1 dollar

Options 1 and 2 are equivalent, minus the bid-ask spreads which are very tight for treasuries. This is time value of money.


Except that during the duration that 100% loses out to intlation. If it's a 10-year bond, it's worth maybe 74% of its face value.


That’s not an investment loss though. It’s really not the same thing.

If I can claim inflation as a loss I need to go redo my taxes…


why do you think those bonds are worth only 80% now, if you believe they should be worth 100%? is it a market inefficiency? do you think you could make risk-free 25% profit by buying them?


It's material here because the reason Tbills are paying 5% is because inflation is roughly 6.5%. (I used a fixed inflation rate of 3% to get 74% above.) Usually they're down at like 0.05% or so, which is what SVB was holding, which is what sank them.


It’s not material.

What matters is that principal is returned in full when bonds mature, but if you can’t wait until maturity you might have to sell them for less than the principal. That is exactly what happened to SVB.


Sounds like they needed more diversity in their overall capital portfolio; based on significant risk of these long-term bond rate increases -- is this a common tactic that would be employed at other banks, but it's just that SVB had a "special" system where customers would hold more money there or something?

What's stopping my Local Bank from crashing this week?


> What's stopping my Local Bank from crashing this week?

Enough consumer confidence to prevent a bank run is the only thing that prevents a run on any bank, including the largest banks in the world.


So do the deposits the bonds are backing. That's irrelevant.




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