Well if you think that the universe is dull then I suggest Starfield (I'm joking).

Although Starfield has more issues than one could possibly describe, it's the most fun I've had with a game this year.

The gameplay loop is fun and the combat is incredible.

That's my sense too. Starfield is clearly the worst of the Bethesda RPGs. But it's the first Bethesda RPG in 8 years, and nothing else scratches that itch. I loved it. Hopefully DLCs clean up the Outpost-building subgame, which is a mess.

The thing that was a huge let down was the fact that 95% of planets were just barren and procedural generated with the same outposts and the same layouts. It provided no incentive to explore, because there simply wasn't anything unique out there.

Yeah I love it.

My starfield experience has been great. The metagame with newgame+ doesnt interest me at all however.

It seems like crafting has gone downhill in terms of UX since Fallout4, but that would be easy for them to fix.

The fact that you can't scrap items like you could in Fallout 4 makes no sense to me. It just makes so many items useless.

Starfield is fun but it has no gravitas because they’ve taken anything with edge out of it (sex, nudity, drugs/junkies, extreme violence etc.) it feels like one of those bleh G rated Disney “horror” movies.

These two short videos compare two similar scenes in Starfield and Cyberpunk, the difference is astounding.

https://youtu.be/ws0ufhrgWJw

https://youtu.be/K4ADco41g9s

Does sex, nudity, drugs/junkies, extreme violence make a game better? Anyway I think there are more fundamental problems with the game.

Absolutely, it's more realistic.

Unless you like playing hello kitty :)

Yeah no, I think I can easily play a game without.

Definitely not every game but a space rpg? It’s basically cutting out anything that humans genuinely find interesting on a primal level.

Compare the videos linked elsewhere in this thread, the CP scenes are just so much richer. The starfield ones feel really fake imo.

I'm speaking more in general, not as a comparison between cyberpunk 2077 and starfield, there are plenty of games that do not have dark themes, and I don't think that any of that is required to make a good game.

None of games without these elements feel real. Not everybody prefer polished Disney-like worlds, thank you very much.

I mean if you only play games that needs to feel real than you are really limiting yourself.

Todd was the one saying Starfield was going to be realistic.

Instead you're Buck Rogers

I have more than 200 games in my Steam library, I’m good, thank you.

Yeah and I imagine that all of them have sex, nudity, drugs/junkies, extreme violence in it otherwise they would be polished Disney-like worlds.

Yeah, that’s right. Do you have any other questions? It’s going to be a fun discussion with your desire to reduce everything to absurdity.

A man of his word but no I don't believe that.

Who cares?

You evidently ahah

Ok let’s play a game - whoever leaves the last comment wins. You didn’t win by using “reduce to absurdity”, maybe you’ll win now? Let’s find out.

I think you're intentionally missing the point being made.

I think so, especially when you’re trying to represent a sizable part of the known universe. It also severely restricts the stories you can tell.